INVINCIBLE SEASON 4 and BEYOND - Favorite Moments, Characters, Storylines, and the Show's Future!

[00:00:00] Welcome to The Mild Opinion Podcast. I'm Logan. I'm Luke. And today we're going to be talking about the Invincible Season 4 that's just recently wrapped up and our thoughts and opinions and where we think it's gonna go and all the things. So, I guess to start off, what were your thoughts? How'd you feel about Season 4?

[00:00:19] I liked it a lot and I felt like it finally is getting to that point that a lot of people have been talking about as long as it's going on where it's full-on Viltrumite War. It doesn't feel like there's a lot of filler and it's just full storyline forward with everything, which I'm really appreciating and I like the way that they've gone about that so far. Because I feel like Season 3 had some stuff that seemed like filler, but this one I felt like there wasn't really that much of it.

[00:00:49] And I feel like they did a good job of just making Thrag and the rest of the... well, specifically Thrag just seem impossible to be. Yeah. Which, that's always the thing, it's like, oh yeah, there's a new impossible to be, impossibly strong character, but they really made it even more. Even when the big heavy hitters are going at him, it's just like nothing to it. Which I just thought was really cool. Yeah.

[00:01:18] I think overall, I liked it quite a bit. I think this was probably my favorite season that wasn't Season 1. Which, you know, nothing wrong with 2 and 3 also, but Season 1 is pretty top tier and then this one, this one's pretty close. But, yeah, I agree with what you said though about how there wasn't much filler in this. I think the most filler episode was episode... I think it was episode 4.

[00:01:48] Whichever one... the one when Mark goes to hell and has to fight alongside with the Dark Bloods and Satan and all that. Yeah, that one felt kind of filler-ish, but... I mean, I don't know. I didn't hate it. I didn't hate that episode. I saw that episode getting ripped to pieces by some people. And when I watched it, I didn't... I didn't really think it felt out of place or anything.

[00:02:15] And I feel like the episodes... it's been a thing with this show, which I think is the strength of it. That whenever something feels like it's a filler episode, later on down the line, it will come back. And a lot of times when those storylines resurface, it's directly involved with the main story as well. Yeah. So I don't really feel like filler is the right word for a lot of stuff, but it's like beginning of world building at certain moments. And then it'll just like rest for a while and it'll come back.

[00:02:44] So like an example of that is like... You know, in season one, it didn't seem really like filler. But with the weird aging people from the different dimension that come through, showed up at the worst possible time this season. Yeah. And I think too, whenever there is something that could be considered like a filler episode, it also does a good job of like...

[00:03:11] Like showing you... specifically Mark's character development and stuff. Because he's talking with Darkblood about feeling like he's afraid of becoming his dad and like struggling with all this stuff. And Darkblood's like talking to him about all this stuff. So it didn't really... it didn't really bother me. Mm-hmm. And I didn't think it was misplaced. I didn't think it was a perfect episode, but I didn't... Yeah. It didn't drag down anything for me really. Yeah.

[00:03:41] I think... I think, yeah, overall like I didn't hate it. That was probably my least favorite episode out of this season. But all in all, I mean, I think it was still pretty good. Like I wasn't mad at that episode at all. I do think that obviously the story is progressing with, you know, the Viltrumite War and all that. Like it's kind of like, you know, they've done some crazy stuff with, you know, the story and stuff right now. With blowing up Viltrum and all that. Yeah.

[00:04:10] And, you know, them just full on fighting the Viltrumites and stuff like that. And where it ends up at too with them coming to Earth and trying to repopulate a little bit there. And the whole thing with Mark at the end. But I do think besides that, the rest of it's, you know, it's getting pretty good too. Other than that, like the way that it wraps up and it kind of just gives you a little bit of info on where everybody else is at now.

[00:04:37] Like a lot of it's really dramatic too. Like just the stuff with, um, with Mark and Eve right now, you know, pretty dramatic. Um, and then like everything with the Grayson family, Oliver being hospitalized and yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I think that the, um, the stuff with Alan too is pretty interesting.

[00:05:05] Him being the leader of the coalition and everything now. I think that I'm like, cause I know, you know, obviously there's stuff that happens with that in the story later on. And like the comics and all that. But I'm like, man, we're, we're getting into it. Like all of the things are starting to happen to like the big buildup. Yeah. The battle beast fight and all that too. Like it's, it's all coming up. Yeah. And that's, I think this season did a really good job of leaning really heavily into the learning.

[00:05:35] The war of Viltrum and like the Viltrumites spit, like, especially there were so many flashbacks about just their ways and the way they value strength and everything. And something that I think it's, I'm just pleased with is with how many characters there are that are kind of like a Superman kind of character. And now the villains of the show are just an entire race of that. And like Vince Invincible and Omni-Man and all of them are basically that just with different storylines to them.

[00:06:04] They make all of them interesting, even though they all just have kind of the same powers. It's just varying in level of skill and power and experience. So, you know, I was kind of concerned when Thrag showed up that it's like, oh yeah, it's just another guy. It's just another strong guy. But then after having him for a few episodes and the way the other Viltrumites, I would say fear him, but it's like a respect.

[00:06:32] It's like a fear and respect way because they value, they like respect how powerful and strong he is. And they see him as like their sworn leader. I just feel like they make what is at risk of being a very one dimensional thing for a lot of the Viltrumites very like fleshed out for all of them. So that's a huge strength of this season in my opinion, which I'm very pleased with.

[00:06:59] Yeah, I think, well, in terms of everything that went on, obviously, you know, the last two episodes, episode seven and eight, pretty, pretty top tier. I think honestly, personally, I thought episode two was pretty top tier this season where Nolan is showing Alan like the like history and like the, you know, like what's like effective against them and all that. And then, you know, there's also quite a few funny bits in that moment as well.

[00:07:29] Yeah. But I don't know. I think that show or that episode of the show is pretty solid, like underrated because it shows you a lot of like info and like stuff that they talked about before. It's like, obviously, you know, they've brought up like the Ragnars and stuff before, but like, it shows like a real like grasp of like, all right, like, here's like this, this, this, this, and this. And if you forgot about it or whatever, here it all is again, here's something you need to know. Yeah.

[00:07:57] And then like everything like Space Racer too, like them unearthing Space Racer, pretty awesome. Yeah. And Space Racer too. Um, I felt like he was the least like prominent member of the group because, you know, you have Battle Beast who's just constantly shouting about how he wants more challenge. And then like Tech Jacket gets a lot of screen time and all of that.

[00:08:20] But I thought that Space Racer is, every time he showed up, I was like, this guy can't die because he's too freaking valuable in terms of like that weapon he has is just unbelievable against everything. Yeah. So, in my opinion on that team, he's like the MVP in basic Viltrumites. I don't know what that weapon would do to Thrag.

[00:08:46] I don't think, I think in terms of where they've set up Thrag that it wouldn't kill him. But, uh, in terms of that group right now, I felt like every time he showed up, I was like, yeah, this guy's killing it right now. Yeah. And I thought it was, I, I don't know if it was supposed to be funny. I just thought it was funny that he and Nolan fought like a century before the episode he showed up. And then as soon as they get there, he just immediately is like, you, and still is just holding this grudge.

[00:09:17] But yeah, and I really enjoyed just watching that team come together. And when they were fighting the Viltrumites and had that huge, brutal battle with them, that was awesome. That was probably my favorite episode of the season. Cause even though it's like, it had a really good balance of like driving the story forward and like character development being lore heavy and just action packed looking awesome. Yeah.

[00:09:46] I think, um, I think another episode that was pretty solid, but I don't know. I didn't love it as much as a lot of people did the, it would have been what episode six. Yeah. I think so. The conquest fight was that five or six. I don't remember. I think that was five. Oh, okay. Yeah. Because, yeah. Cause then episode after that was when they were camping out and Mark recover. Yeah. Yeah. Episode five, the conquest fight.

[00:10:16] I liked it. It was, you know, another conquest fight and then, you know, he dies and everything like pretty, pretty iconic, pretty big moment, but also at the same time, I'm just like, I don't know. I didn't love the fight itself. I was just kind of like, oh, well, they're kind of just hitting each other. He pulls Mark's guts out. Mark strangles him. Yeah. Um, I don't know. And then like the other parts of that fight too, like Alan and tech jacket, that wasn't really much to write home about. No. It was, I don't know. I liked it.

[00:10:46] Like, I'm not saying I hated it, but I'm just like, I feel like a lot of people were like really hyped over that and I was like, the stuff that's happening is pretty cool. Like story wise, like, oh yeah, he's back. They're finding me in like all the things, but I was just like, in terms of the show itself, it's like this season alone, I think there's two or three episodes that are way better than that. Yeah, for sure. Um, yeah, I think that's probably on my lower end of episodes as well.

[00:11:10] Um, I also don't really, I feel like the, with the Secwids thing, when that finally came up, I feel like the only really valuable parts of that to me, like, I don't really care about the threat that they pose. Cause it's like, they're obviously not going to be winning, but I think the most valuable parts of that are like showing Mark being less hesitant towards killing people and like

[00:11:36] worrying about being, becoming Omni-Man and what is going or like what's going on with Robot basically. And that's something else I wanted to bring up. Um, and I'm not going to get too much into this cause like I've only read to a certain point in the actual comic books and I don't want to spoil it for anybody who like, uh,

[00:12:01] who hasn't read any of the comic books, but, um, so I'm not going to like say too much about it, but the road that I know Robot goes down on, I think him and Monster Girl ending up in that dimension where time moves fast comparatively to like when they're on earth. So the next time we'll see them, I feel like for them it will have been a long time.

[00:12:26] And in the trajectory of Robot's story and the whole thing with Monster Girl's whole weakness being that she gets younger each time she uses her powers. I'm just curious to see the next time we see them, what will they look like and what will they be like? Cause they're going to be different. Yeah. I think, yeah, I'm curious about that too. I know. Yeah. Kind of like what you're talking about. I'm not going to spoil anything for what ends up happening, but in the comics to where

[00:12:55] it ends up at, they, you know, are different, which it's all kind of different anyway. Just the trajectory of the story. I think the Viltrumite War story and like what happens throughout the whole thing is similar, but there's like the small stories that branch off a lot. Those are kind of what's different. Yeah. Um, and the weird thing too, is like with the Viltrumite War, like right now that's the main story, but a lot of these little world building stories that they keep setting up

[00:13:22] or things that don't have to do with the Viltrumite War later become more in, or will become more prominent to the main storyline. Yeah. Not like just, oh, the Viltrumite War is just a one and done thing. Like that's the whole Viltrumite stuff goes on through the story. Like that's the story. But all of these things that people will call like filler episodes and all that will eventually circle back. And usually they come back stronger than the first time they did, you know?

[00:13:52] And I think, you know, that's kind of where it's going. Cause obviously where we're at right now, the actual, what you would think of is like the Viltrumite War and all that is kind of coming to a head, you know, like next season will probably be what I would assume would be the end of it where, you know, you see the last stand and everything coming together and all that. But I could see that honestly being a thing that just Mark is struggling with for probably like the first half or whatever of season five of knowing what's going on.

[00:14:22] Probably Alan and whoever poking him about it being like, have you heard anything about Viltrumites? And I'm assuming he's probably going to be saying no for a while. And then like, I don't really know how that's going to pop off, but it's going to be bad. Yeah. There's not really an easy way for Mark to do anything at all right now about it. That's like the whole point of that last scene. Right. Yeah. Well, I think that's one of the things that's difficult cause like we're not trying to ruin it for people who haven't seen everything.

[00:14:52] Yeah. But like also with like some shows and stuff like that, that don't have like a comic or it's not like, you know, set in stone, like they kind of branch off from like the boys and stuff. The boys is not very faithful to the comics at all. So like we can speculate about like what was happening in the boys and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. Like with this, it's been pretty faithful. Not 100%, but like, you know, so for this, like we can't really be like, oh, well, it might be this or it might be that because we kind of know already.

[00:15:21] So like without being like, oh yeah, this is what's going to happen. You know, like it's kind of hard. Like right now we're just like, yeah, like, yeah, we know what this is, but we're not going to, you know, straight up say it, I guess. Just because like, if you want to read it, you can go read it for yourself before the show comes out. And they have made like small, they've made the changes they've made have not been incredibly detrimental to the story in any way. I think right now the one that everybody's talking about is like tech jacket being gender swap,

[00:15:49] which having not read really to a point where tech jackets prominent and what I've read at least, um, I'm not really bothered by that. Um, and I still thought she was a good character in this season. Just kind of, it's like you said, she's just like another fighter. Like there's not a huge special part of that character yet. Yeah. I think the main difference with the tech jacket stuff here, which tech jacket has a whole

[00:16:18] bunch of extra lore and stuff. Tech jacket have their own comics and stuff. So like a lot of what people are drawing from is like the other tech jacket lore and stuff like that. But I think in terms of storyline, it doesn't really matter. Cause I mean, maybe later on down the line when stuff gets a little bit different, it will. But I mean, at where we're at now, like show wise, it doesn't really matter. That's a little different.

[00:16:44] Cause also I think the biggest thing with tech jackets stuff is that tech jackets like comic story and stuff with like the male tech jacket, his story is a little bit darker than what it seems like this is, which is fine. Cause like I said, that's like, that's its own whole lore and stuff, which I do think that if they were ever at all interested in it, they could have gone the traditional route and

[00:17:09] then made tech jacket like his own thing just because him in the comics, he's pretty sick. The lore and stuff, the stuff they have them do, it's pretty sick. Yeah. But either way, I mean, they can do their own thing with, you know, with whatever. Cause also in terms of, you know, the team itself, like the team that was going into the village or my war and stuff like that there, I mean, in the comics, they, they were all male. Yeah. It was a whole male team.

[00:17:36] So I mean, yeah, you know, having, having her be tech jacket instead, not, not a bad thing. I don't think in terms of the show at least. Yeah. And, uh, I also want to touch on just, it's like, we're talking about that team right now. Uh, I really, I don't really have like a specific thing to say about it, but I really liked all of her this season a lot. And I felt like in season three, he just seemed more dangerous to me and having more opportunity

[00:18:04] to kind of be swayed towards just being violent and reckless. And I feel like he still has that streak, but it's more toned down into just a little, uh, like hot on the trigger to jump into action and stuff as opposed to being outright violent and not understanding why it's wrong what he did. Um, so I'll, I'll be excited to see how him literally losing his arm plays into him.

[00:18:33] Um, I honestly don't think it'll affect him a ton other than making him a little more serious just cause that, I don't think there needs to be another like brooding dark character like that. Um, but, uh, yeah, I'll be excited to see more of him and I just, I really enjoyed his character a lot this season. I did as well. And I think it is interesting too, cause I mentioned a little bit earlier just how like it's becoming a lot more dramatic with everything that's happening.

[00:18:59] But I do think it's interesting now that we're also going to get that part of it where he'll be surrounded by like his family and stuff as well, which it won't be as divided since it appears that Nolan is weaseling his way back into the picture. So I think being surrounded by everybody at the same time and stuff, just like it being separated or like, cause like he had not seen Nolan since he was like a baby. Yeah.

[00:19:27] Before now there, before everything happened, before the war happened. So, I mean, yeah, I think that will play into it quite a bit too. I think that's kind of interesting, which it's all, it's all part of the dramatic side. Yeah. Um, something I was going to ask you after this season, cause I feel like there's so many, there's, there were already, but there are so many characters right now in the mix and like different storylines of what's going on. But I was going to say, I was going to see out of, uh, we have had like the Adam Eve special

[00:19:56] and I doubt that that'll be the only one they'll do. I just don't want them to start overdoing the specials like that. Um, but I could see every couple seasons of them doing that. So I was going to see like if they were to do another special, who's like a character, uh, of all the characters we've been introduced to so far that you'd like to see get a special. Um, so I have a few that I've kind of thought of before. I think the obvious one would be tech jacket just because they have their own comics, super

[00:20:26] lore heavy. Um, but another one that I think would be really good, like a really cool one to do would be battle beast. Cause they have a lot of lore that is like not talked about like that. Cause battle beast has their own comics as well, but their lore is like kind of crazy in the, in the show, they don't want to talk about, you know, what battle beast does that much, but like, he just kind of shows up and like, it's like, I want to find the strongest. Yeah. But the battle beast lore is kind of crazy.

[00:20:54] So I think that one would be kind of awesome. Yeah. Just to see what happens with that. Um, maybe like just how he got to be the strongest. Cause they said that he, he just now is looking for the ultimate opponent. Yeah. So yeah. But yeah, I think that would be pretty cool. I mean, I think there's a case for a lot of, I mean, anything about space racer. The only problem with space racer is that, I mean, you can only go so far with what it

[00:21:23] is that you show because other than his encounter with Nolan, we kind of, we kind of know what he was up to, you know what I mean? Cause like he was captured or not captured. He was, well, thought to be dead. He was stuck. Yeah. Stuck for a while. For a long time. And then other than that, he was kind of just helping out with coalition stuff, not coalition itself, but you know. For sure. Messing up Viltrumites and whatnot, which is what got him there in the first place.

[00:21:53] So, I mean, I think it'd be cool cause you would see like space racer lore. Plus you'd see him in like the old time Viltrumites stuff. Viltrumites at full power. Why they, why do you see him as such a big threat? Yeah. Yeah. So you'd see that, but I don't think the story wise, I don't know if you'd get anything super valuable from that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, um, I think too with the Viltrum, the Viltrum stuff, they could definitely just be

[00:22:21] like, here's a Viltrum special. And it could be about like young Nolan or like Nolan's parents or Thrags training or something like that. Like Thedas. Yeah. Yeah. Thedas and Argyle special. Yeah. Um, they could do, I think one that they could do, but I don't think it would be necessary at this point cause you kind of get the gist already is like robot. Like how did he initially become the way he became?

[00:22:48] Um, and then other than that, like a lot of the characters we've just already gotten their backstory and like flashbacks and stuff. Like I would say Cecil, but there's already been whole episodes centered on his backstory. And flashbacks all about and everything like that. Um, I just think that there's an opportunity in making specials to really take a character that hasn't really popped off that hard and then elevate them to a new level ahead of a

[00:23:17] season where they might be more prominent. Yeah. And with like the Adam Eve special, I thought it was just a really cool, first of all, the animation was awesome in that, but it was just a cool world building kind of thing. Yeah. And they would find a different avenue to go down with invincible stuff, which I thought was really cool when they did that. Yeah. And I mean, there's like other characters and stuff who would make good ones. Like, I mean, you could do a whole thing about like Brit too, just because Brit has his own

[00:23:45] comics and stuff and he's actually pretty cool. But like, you know, over like Battle Beast or over like Tech Jacket, no one really cares about Brit. So why would you do that? You know what I mean? Yeah. Over like, yeah. Bulletproof. Yeah. You know. Black Samson. Yeah. Yeah. Like, you could do it over people like that who have their own stories and comics and stuff. But like, why? Why would you? I think the one that I'll throw out, because I just like this storyline when it ever shows up.

[00:24:14] It's not like my favorite. And I don't, I feel like this season, it wasn't pushed forward that much. But I think one special that they could do would be about Titan, but not like a flashback backstory thing. Just kind of his own thing. Yeah. Like, what is this organization doing in the midst of this? And just do a one-off story about that. Because I always think he's a cool character when he shows up. Yeah.

[00:24:45] Just doesn't have to be super heavy on Machine Head or like the dragon guy. I don't know what his name is. But I like that underground criminal superhero or supervillain kind of thing going on there. Yeah. I think that would be a pretty cool one. Yeah. Yeah. And then also I think Damien Darkblood would be a cool one. Like a cool avenue to explore like maybe how he started working for Cecil and initially what the deal was.

[00:25:13] And then maybe even like him working his way back into a position on Earth now. Yeah. I think one that would be kind of cool. We've seen a lot about it already. And a lot of people hate this character, which that's fair. But before everything happened and before he got destroyed a million times, I think like a flashback oriented immortal story would be kind of cool. Yeah. Just because you could see him throughout. Like because they've done this a little bit when they talk about him, like when he's in different places and stuff.

[00:25:43] Like an actual like movie where it's like recounting like or like a special where it's recounting like different times in his life and where he was compared to like where he is now. When he was Abraham Lincoln. Yeah. Like just like all the like his avenues of his life and stuff. Like I think that would be pretty cool, even though a lot of people don't like him because he kind of sucks. But he's just he's just annoying. Like he's interesting in the place and positions that he's in, but he's not he's anymore kind of just annoying.

[00:26:12] Also, I don't remember where we left off with him. I don't remember what happened to him in season three. To be honest, I don't remember either. Like I don't remember. Did he permanently die somehow or something like that? Like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't remember. But well, no, because there was the whole episode where Mark goes to the future and he's telling about like, oh, where are you? Like, where have you been? And all this. Yeah.

[00:26:43] So he must just be maybe Cecil has him somewhere. I don't know. Probably somebody might say something about that. But yeah, I I think that would be interesting. And it could be even a special where it's like, oh, 10 minutes at this time and then like 10 minutes in this period of time. And that would be cool if he is somewhere just incubating or healing or whatever. If it was like little segments throughout his life all the way up to just like him

[00:27:12] waking up. Yeah. That'd be cool. Yeah. But yeah, I think. I think this the show it's good to see is not faltering really in terms of the story and whatnot, because I know when season three started coming out and the animation wasn't like as insanely detailed as season one was at certain points. Just the story is still really good and the animation is still pretty good.

[00:27:40] And I think if they just keep going on their current trajectory, they'll do pretty well. I think the Billtrumite War for what it is like now and like the whole Thrag being like the big Emmy and everything like that is only going to last one, maybe two more seasons. But everything that happens after that comic wise, a lot of people don't like. And I think a lot of that would be weird to not weird because they could do it.

[00:28:10] It'd be all right. But like, I think taking the jump from like, oh yeah, it was all about like the Billtrumite threat and stuff. And now you're going to this other direction that a lot of people aren't super fond of anyway. If you know what it is, you know, like you're wrapping up with that's when it's going to start getting a little messy because then you're going to start throwing in like more stuff that's kind of just like, oh yeah, an episode about the sequins, an episode about, you know, what's going on in hell with the dark balloons and this, that.

[00:28:36] Like it's kind of just like, that's when you're going to start weaving in weird stuff. Yeah. It is kind of weird too, just watching the show that it feels like everything going on on earth is just its own story going on a lot of the time. And then it's like, okay, out to the depths of space and intergalactic war and stuff. And sometimes that comes back to earth and other people get involved. But a lot of the time it's like most of what's going on is just not on earth.

[00:29:05] So the stuff that is going on on earth, which is about another 50% of it, is characters not at all involved in the main story. Yeah. Which is, it's just interesting. But eventually that will start overlapping really heavily. So, yeah. I mean, then after the straight up, just like thrag stuff and go to my war and all that is done for, you get some interesting stories and stuff that's like kind of different.

[00:29:32] But after that, like without, you know, spoiling anything, you know, people don't know about it. It gets real weird into what Mark is doing. Like it's, I mean, it's always been very focused on what Mark's doing, but the stuff that Mark starts doing becomes a little bit more out of the ordinary for what Mark does. The Mark that you know now versus the Mark that comes up later is not, not really the same. And that's where the story kind of shifts. Yeah.

[00:30:01] Um, but it's, it's good to be able to say after season four, I don't feel like they wasted a lot of time at all with the story. So do you have any other thoughts on season four invincible or the future of the show? I think, like I said before, I think season four is probably the best, the second best season probably behind, you know, season one.

[00:30:27] And then I do think that I agree that the way that they're heading, it looks like, I mean, it's going to stay pretty, pretty solid. They're not really messing around. It doesn't seem like they're, you know, kind of making it go any further than they need to just for like, you know, money or whatever's sake. Like it seems like they're kind of just being like, all right, here's the story. Here's what everybody wants to see. We're not really, we're not really messing around. Yeah.

[00:30:57] So that's pretty solid. Yeah, for sure. Um, you have anything else? That's about it. All right. Yeah. Um, this has been the My Old Opinion Podcast. Thank you very much for listening and we'll see you next time.